Subject: Tog and Rant! oh Joy! been working on a tog deck for a few weeks, the best i've gone in extended is 4-2 and 3-3 never drawn ??? well here it is 4 Psychatog 1 Wonder 4 Counterspell 4 Daze 2 Forbid 2 Cunning Wish 2 Upheaval 4 Accumulated Knowledge 3 Brainstorm 3 Gush 3 Boomerang 2 Diabolic Edict 2 Innocent Blood 1 Powder Keg 2 Underground River 3 Polluted Delta 3 Swamps 14 Islands 1 Reflecting Pool 1 City of Brass ------------------------------------------------------- Actually this looks decent, I'll look at the lands 2 Underground River 3 Polluted Delta 3 Swamps 14 Islands 1 Reflecting Pool 1 City of Brass Now you realize city and pool are totally unnecessary! It should look like 4xUnderground River 4xPolluted Delta 1xCephalid Colisseum 14xIsland 4xSwamp See? 4xPsychatog and 1 wonder look fine as a line up! However the spells... 4 Counterspell (good) 4 Daze (I only saw this guy in blue skies) 2 Forbid (good) 2 Cunning Wish (Good) 2 Upheaval (comboness) 4 Accumulated Knowledge (Good) 3 Brainstorm (good) 3 Gush (good) 3 Boomerang (I would not play this, SB ONE) 2 Diabolic Edict (play 4) 2 Innocent Blood (no) 1 Powder Keg (more) Play intuition and vampiric tutor to get the cards faster and I played force spike. Powder Keg can kill sligh and even a treetop village. Treetop village can screw this deck over! Like any tog deck. Sideboards are always conditional on area, but I always use chill! Sligh eats tog very quickly and if they pull out hte piledriver you better think of something fast (edict/keg/upheaval) Nice idea. But since I had a long delay in my garage I shall include a "rant" I can't do Type 1 because everything is too conditional for me to rate and whoever put pale moon in the type 1 deck to "screw" non-basic lands is evil. I have been playing type 2 less due to the "suckiness" of the new sets, onslaught was a dissapointment though I like about 10% of it :/. Legions just sucked, so I havent been playing type 2. I actually looked into extended and found out lots of info. If you are new to extended and don't know the area well, try and SB against the most commonly played decks which are 1.The Rock 2.Sligh 3.Psychatog! 4.Oath 5.Reanimator The rock and tog are the most solid decks on there, either countering everything or discard/beating you down. I have come to the conclusion WUB muffin would be an awesome counter for these types. My current list is: Blueberry Muffin! Extended Build V.1.05 Creatures:20 4xRamosian Seargent 4xSpectral Lynx 4xWhipcorder 4xMeddling Mage 3xPhyrexian Negator 1xExalted Angel Spells:15 4xDuress 2xBrainstorm 2xCabal Therapy 4xVindicate 3xParallax Wave Lands-25 3xFlooded Strand 3xPolluted Delta 4xCaves of Koilos 2xCity of Brass 2xUnderground River 2xAdarkar Wastes 4xPlains 1xIsland 4xSwamp SB- 2xCabal Therapy 2xGerrard's Verdict 1xParallax Wave 1xExalted Angel 2xGilded Drake 2xEngineered Plague 3xAbsolute Law 2xSeal of Cleansing The reason I think this can screw them is against the rock meddling mage can take out monger or deed! and seargents make the creatures hard to edict! Whipcorder stops monger dead in his tracks. The deck also is faster than the rock stoping it quicker, and against tog, tog may have decent speed but generally cant keep up one negator or mage through could mean game, and seargents pull out many rebels making the hard to edict and remove! However the decks weakness to sligh (negator eh?) is relevent if there is little sligh in my area, I just might win! - Brett