Charizard and Chansey are horrible! It's as simple as that. You cannot play a game effectively with either of them. There are so many ways to render them helpless and to make them cry like widdle baby-wabies. My first gripe is their retreat cost. 3 RETREAT! I THINK NOT! This leaves Chansey with 1 energy if it's lucky. And if you have to retreat a Charizard, you are already doomed. Secondly, if you pull out Chansey's Double Edge, odds are, the oppenent can kill you. I know this to be true. I, once, was amazed by the strength and power of Chansey and Charizard. But upon playing with them, I was beaten horribly. There are so many ways to disable them. Here are a few. Energy removal! One of my favorites. Then you stick in a Clefairy and Metronome for 100 or 80! Or use a Kadabra, Dewgong, or Hitmonchan. Choose one. The whole point is to keep the energy off of them. Or a simple Gust of Wind could do the trick. GoW in a cheap Pokemon and demolish it. Don't forget, the object is to kill 6 Pokemon. In a speed game, like a tournament, you don't have much time to bring out either and attack effectively with it. And another thing, the odds of pulling off the Venusaur -Charizard combo are near impossible. I agree with C. Munk heartily. I hope all of you see the light about how much Charizard and Chansey ***** Josh (mjosh@hotmail.com)