Velez I am not going to say that he is a bad pokemon, but you fail to look at the downsides properly. You hit the worst one on the head, he has a four retreat cost. Second any energy removal kicks his arse. If you like using him that is your choice. Why would you compare your deck to an inferior trans deck. Your friends deck and theory........PLEASE give me a break. Does your friend like ghastly or charizard. A real trans or a stall deck would have you cring. First, a real stall deck has energy removal and would love having snor-boy up front. You cant retreat with no energy. Well not without switch anyway. Second haymakers are one of the most used decks right now. The saying that he kills a Mr. Mime, think again. Let me remind you he only does 30 damage. A true trans deck would move all the damage off of him. FYI I run a low energy stall deck. David Buchanan DavidB3434@aol.com Rai_Stipler@Hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com