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Title: New Betrayers FAQ
Questions: 9 1.21.05
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I have one big note
about the Betrayers FAQ, to which I provided a link
on Wednesday. Ogre Enforcer has received errata, and
there are some other cards that have had wordings
changes. Notes on the changes, and a new version of
the FAQ, which supersedes all previous versions and
is the version judges will be using this weekend,
can be found
here.
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Q: I went to a
tournament this weekend and I came across someone
with an affinity Ravager deck, he equipped a Cranial
Plating to a Blinkmoth Nexus that had been turned
into a creature. At the end of his turn he left the
Cranial Plating on the Nexus even though it stopped
being a creature. He said that the plating doesn't
check to see if what it's equipping is still a
creature. Does the Cranial Plating stay on?
A: No. Once the Nexus
stops being a creature, the equipment falls off, as
it can only be attached to a creature.
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Q: Me and my opponent
are both at 3 life. We each have 3 Frogmites and 1
Disciple of the Vault. If I cast something that
clears the board like a Pyroclasm, what exactly
happens? Do we get to choose what order our
creatures go to the graveyard?
A: Not in the way you
want, no. Since it is your turn, all 6 triggers for
your Disciple will go on the stack first (in any
order you want, but not like it really matters),
then your opponent's 6 Disciple triggers will go on
the stack. Since his will resolve first, you will
lose.
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Q: If you used an
Arcbound Ravagers ability to sacrifice a Myr
Retriever, could you sacrifice the Ravager to itself
and get the Ravager back to your hand when the
Retriever ability resolves?
-Code
A: No. You have to
select which artifact you are returning when the
Retriever hits the graveyard, which is long before
you can sacrifice the ravager.
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Q: I play Afflict on
Drudge Skeletons. Can my opponent regenerate and
prevent it from going to the graveyard?
-EC
A: No. Creatures can't
regenerate from having less than 1 toughness.
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Q: The other day, a
friend and I were screwing around with some casual
decks built for fun. Mine was a lifegain oriented
sunburst deck, while he played a U/B control format.
The game went on for a good while, and it started to
seem inherently obvious that I was going to win at
the rate we were going (me at 12,402 health, him at
3. Bringer of the Black Dawn and Beacon of
Immortality is fun in a screw-around deck.)
Anyway, in response to
this, he played Platinum Angel and Leonin Abunas.
The next turn, I dropped Bringer of the Red Dawn and
Kiki-Jiki, and he started his next turn. (I had
Intruder Alarm on the field from a couple turns
before.) Due to cards that I controlled which caused
him damage during his upkeep (ex, Skullcage), he
went to -2 health, but hadn't lost due to Platinum
Angel.
Now, getting to the
point, and the reason I'm sending in the question:
At the end of my next
untap step, but prior to my upkeep, I activated
Kiki-Jiki's ability to produce an infinite number of
Red Bringers. Using their ability at the start of my
upkeep, I took control of his Leonin Abunas and
Platinum Angel both. We agreed at the time that this
caused him to lose the game, as he lost the effect
of Platinum Angel.
Looking back though, I'm
not so sure.
Q: 1) Was my duplicating
of the Bringer of the Red Dawn prior to my upkeep an
illegal move?
A: Yes. You can't play
any abilities during your turn before the upkeep
starts.
BUT, you can get have a
large number of Bringer tokens during your upkeep.
Simply produce the tokens with Kiki-Jiki during your
opponent's end step. Since Kiki-Jiki says to
sacrifice the tokens "AT end of turn," it will
destroy them at the beginning of the end step. But
since you are already in the end step that turn, it
will wait until your turn (the next end step) to get
rid of the tokens.
(Please folks, don't
send me in 237963827617236 questions now with cards
that say "UNTIL end of turn." This trick won't work
with that wording, since the game deals with those
effects in the cleanup step, and the effect will
always happen before the turn ends. [Even if you
manage to get priority during the cleanup step,
there will be another cleanup step right after that
one.])
One other big problem,
though, that will be dealt with in the next
question...
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Q: (For the next
question, I will assume you produced all the tokens
on your opponent's end step.)
2) Is the stack order
correct? The big distinction I'm thinking of here is
that, assuming the duplication was legal, would all
of the Bringer's abilities have triggered
simultaneously, or could I have chosen the order
they entered and resolved on the stack in?
A: They all get put on
the stack at the same time, but you choose the order
they go on the stack.
The problem I refer to
is that you have to choose the targets for all of
the Bringer tokens at the same time, before you take
control of anything. Since he has the Abunas when
you have to choose the targets for all of the
Bringer tokens, you can never target the Angel with
any of the tokens. Thus, you can't ever take the
Angel with the Abunas out.
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Q: 3) Platinum Angel's
wording on the subject is rather confusing -- "You
cannot lose the game and your opponents can not win
the game." -- by taking it from his control for one
turn, does he actually lose the effect of the card?
-Sean
A: Yes. If you make him
lose control of the card, he will instantly lose the
game, as he is below 1 life, and the effect from the
Angel isn't out any more.
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Q: I play Midnight
Covenant (each black mana gives creature +1/+1) on a
Severed Legion. I then place a further Midnight
Covenant on the same creature. Is this legal
A: Yes.
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Q: and if so does the
Severed Legion get +2/+2 for each black mana?
-Darren
A: No. If you pay 1
black mana, you can only activate one of the
abilities. You can't use the same black mana to
activate both of the abilities.
Good luck at the
prereleases this weekend (if you're going), and see
you Tuesday.
Bill Guerin
DCI Level 2 Judge |
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