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Rules of Banding
Short answer:
"Artifact" has never been,
and still isn't, a creature type.
---
Q: What are the rules on
banding?
A: Banding is described in
section 502.10 of the Comprehensive Rules (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/oracle).
Basically, banding has 2
aspects to it:
(a) Modifies declaring
attackers. You can put any number of creatures with
banding and up to one creature without banding into a
"band," meaning they attack as a group. If a creature
blocks any member of the band, though, the entire
group is blocked. (Blocking creatures still block a
specific member of the group, not the whole group.)
(b) Modifies how damage is
assigned. If one member of an attacking or blocking
group has banding, then the controller of the group
decides how damage is dealt to that group (not the
opponent).
---
Q: Also what's the
difference between banding and bands with XXX?
-Tyler P.
A: The only thing is what
the creature is allowed to band with. Otherwise, it
works exactly the same way as normal banding.
---
Q: Chrome Mox says that I
MAY discard a nonland, nonartifact card, which then
becomes imprinted, and the Mox produced the imprinted
card's mana colors. Can I choose not to discard a
card, and have the Mox produce colorless mana instead
of colored?
A: No. Colorless is not a
color. If no card is imprinted on Chrome Mox, then no
mana will be produced when it is tapped for mana.
---
Q: I played Decimate on an
opponent's land and artifact, but he had no creatures
or enchantments. I had land, artifacts and a creature
in play. My friend told me that because my opponent
had no legal targets for the creature destruction,
that I had to destroy my own. The destroy enchantment
obviously had no legal targets so was ignored....
-Milhous
A: You can't even play
Decimate in this situation. You must be able to target
a land, an enchantment, an artifact, and a creature to
be able to play Decimate. If one of those types of
cards isn't there, then you can't play it.
---
Q: If I use Mind Bend on
Door To Nothingness, can I make it so I could pay 10
of any one color?
-Joann
A: No. Mana symbols are
not color words or land types. If you play Mind Bend
on Door to Nothingess, it will have no noticable
effect, since Door to Nothingess has no color words or
land types on it.
---
Q: Can the activated
abilities of artifacts be played the turn they are
played (i.e. Can Conjuror's Bauble be tapped and
sacrificed the turn you play it?)
A: Yes, if they are not
creatures. Only creatures are affected by summoning
sickness.
---
Q: Can Loxodon Achorite
block a 4/1 creature, then tap to prevent the next two
damage to itself and not get destroyed by the 4/1?
-msun
A: Yes.
---
Q: If I Control Magic one
of my opponent's creatures and then sac the creature
to Altar of Dementia, can I Boomerang the Control
Magic back to my hand?
A: No. Once the creature
is gone, Control Magic is immediately placed into its
owner's graveyard (as a state-based effect). Even if
you play Boomerang before saccing it, you can't get
the Control Magic back.
---
Q: If I block a Darksteel
Collosus with a Dawn Elemental, do I still take
trample?
-Omar S.
A: If your opponent
assigns trample damage to you, yes. See Mantra 5.
---
Q: what happens if an
Obliterate is played and some one Last Words it?
-Jonathon
A: Obliterate looks at
Last Word, sticks its tongue out, and blows up the
world anyway.
Last Word resolves just
fine. It attempts to counter Obliterate, is prevented
from doing so, and goes to the graveyard. Last Word is
NOT countered - it has resolved.
---
Q: Player A plays a Goblin
Striker.
Player B plays Vex on the Goblin Striker. Player A plays Last Word on the Vex. Player B plays Mana Leak on Goblin Striker. Is that a legal play?
-Mail
A: Yes.
---
Q: If I have a Birchlore
Rangers into play, can I tap itself for its effect?
A: Yes, assuming its
creature type has not been changed. Birchlore Rangers
IS an elf, after all.
---
Q: Does the mana Birchlore
Rangers creates stay in play?
-jloc
A: No. If you do not use
the mana generated by Birchlore Rangers by the end of
the current phase, you will take mana burn.
---
Q: To what degree does
Blood Moon affect artifact lands? I know that the
lands will only tap to add red mana, but do the lands
still count as artifacts, for affinity count?
-Ewan R.
A: It is still an
artifact, and it is NOT a basic land. Blood Moon (and
other cards that change land types) do two things:
removes all rules text (so it can't tap for what it
tapped for before) and makes the land subtype of the
card in question to be the subtype in question.
---
Q: Does Steal Enchantment
give you control of a creature if you take an
enchantment on a creature?
-Joseph T.
A: No. Cards do EXACTLY
what they say they do, and no more. Steal Enchantment
only gives you control of an enchantment. If that
enchantment is attached to a creature, great, you get
control of it. You do not, however, take the creature.
You also can not move the enchantment. It stays right
where it is.
---
Q: I sac 10 artifacts to
my Arcbound Ravager with 2 Disciples of the Vault in
play...
A: Fine. Each Disciple
triggers 10 times, and we have 20 "you may have target
opponent lose one life" effects on the stack.
---
Q: then my opponent in
response plays Wail of the Nim so that the Disciples
will die before the Disciple’s ability can resolve.
A: Um, OK.
---
Q: Is the Disciple's
ability still on the stack & triggered by the saccing
of the artifacts, although the Disciple's ability
would resolved after its demise?
A: Yes. (You correctly
quoted Mantra 8 in this instance. Mantra 8 is derived
from the following rule:
402.6. Once activated or
triggered, an ability exists independently of its
source as an ability on the stack. Destruction or
removal of the source after that time won’t affect the
ability. Note that some abilities cause a source to do
something (for example, “Prodigal Sorcerer deals 1
damage to target creature or player”) rather than the
ability doing anything directly. In these cases, any
activated or triggered ability that references
information about the source will check that
information when the ability resolves, or will use the
source’s last known information if it’s no longer in
play.)
The only way to remove an
ability from the stack is with a card like Stifle.
(402.6 would probably be
your strongest case with your friends. Also, consider
this often used example:
You are in a war. You see
an ememy soldier take the pin out of a grenade, and
lob it at you. Before the grenade arrives, you shoot
him. What happens with the grenade?)
---
Q: Do enchantments,
artifacts, and creatures go to the graveyard in the
order that they are destroyed by spells on the stack?
A: This question is a
little too vague to answer given just this
information. Let me go through 2 examples, and and
hopefully I'll answer your question.
a) Akroma's Vengeance
{4}{W}{W} Sorcery Destroy all artifacts, creatures, and enchantments. Cycling {3} ({3}, Discard this card from your hand: Draw a card.)
With Akroma's Vengeance,
all of the permanents go to the graveyard at the same
time. The owner of the cards going to his or her
graveyard will choose the order they are in in the
graveyard. (217.4c)
b) Death Cloud
{X}{B}{B}{B} Sorcery Each player loses X life, then discards X cards from his or her hand, then sacrifices X creatures, then sacrifices X lands.
Death Cloud uses the word
"then," so there is an ordering to the effect. First,
you will lose the X life. Then, you will discard X
cards from your hand (putting them in your graveyard
in the order of your choice). Then, you will sacrifice
X creatures (putting them in your graveyard in the
order of your choice, but above all of the cards you
discarded). Then, you will sacrifice X lands (putting
them in your graveyard in the order of your choice,
but above all of the creatures you sacrificed).
(Feel free to write back with a more specific question if that doesn't help.)
---
Q: I pay 5 and tap my
Oblivion Stone, then in response my opponent plays
Shatter to destroy the Oblivion Stone. Does the
oblivion Stone's ability still resolve with the bored
being cleared of all non-land permanents even though
the Oblivion Stone is destroyed?
-Moog O.
Q: Yes.
See you Friday.
Bill Guerin
DCI Level 2 JudgeTitle: Rules of Banding Questions: 17
---
Short answer:
"Artifact" has never been,
and still isn't, a creature type.
---
Q: What are the rules on
banding?
A: Banding is described in
section 502.10 of the Comprehensive Rules (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/oracle).
Basically, banding has 2
aspects to it:
(a) Modifies declaring
attackers. You can put any number of creatures with
banding and up to one creature without banding into a
"band," meaning they attack as a group. If a creature
blocks any member of the band, though, the entire
group is blocked. (Blocking creatures still block a
specific member of the group, not the whole group.)
(b) Modifies how damage is
assigned. If one member of an attacking or blocking
group has banding, then the controller of the group
decides how damage is dealt to that group (not the
opponent).
---
Q: Also what's the
difference between banding and bands with XXX?
-Tyler P.
A: The only thing is what
the creature is allowed to band with. Otherwise, it
works exactly the same way as normal banding.
---
Q: Chrome Mox says that I
MAY discard a nonland, nonartifact card, which then
becomes imprinted, and the Mox produced the imprinted
card's mana colors. Can I choose not to discard a
card, and have the Mox produce colorless mana instead
of colored?
A: No. Colorless is not a
color. If no card is imprinted on Chrome Mox, then no
mana will be produced when it is tapped for mana.
---
Q: I played Decimate on an
opponent's land and artifact, but he had no creatures
or enchantments. I had land, artifacts and a creature
in play. My friend told me that because my opponent
had no legal targets for the creature destruction,
that I had to destroy my own. The destroy enchantment
obviously had no legal targets so was ignored....
-Milhous
A: You can't even play
Decimate in this situation. You must be able to target
a land, an enchantment, an artifact, and a creature to
be able to play Decimate. If one of those types of
cards isn't there, then you can't play it.
---
Q: If I use Mind Bend on
Door To Nothingness, can I make it so I could pay 10
of any one color?
-Joann
A: No. Mana symbols are
not color words or land types. If you play Mind Bend
on Door to Nothingness, it will have no noticeable
effect, since Door to Nothingness has no color words
or land types on it.
---
Q: Can the activated
abilities of artifacts be played the turn they are
played (i.e. Can Conjuror's Bauble be tapped and
sacrificed the turn you play it?)
A: Yes, if they are not
creatures. Only creatures are affected by summoning
sickness.
---
Q: Can Loxodon Anchorite
block a 4/1 creature, then tap to prevent the next two
damage to itself and not get destroyed by the 4/1?
-msun
A: Yes.
---
Q: If I Control Magic one
of my opponent's creatures and then sac the creature
to Altar of Dementia, can I Boomerang the Control
Magic back to my hand?
A: No. Once the creature
is gone, Control Magic is immediately placed into its
owner's graveyard (as a state-based effect). Even if
you play Boomerang before saccing it, you can't get
the Control Magic back.
---
Q: If I block a Darksteel
Colossus with a Dawn Elemental, do I still take
trample?
-Omar S.
A: If your opponent
assigns trample damage to you, yes. See Mantra 5.
---
Q: what happens if an
Obliterate is played and some one Last Words it?
-Jonathon
A: Obliterate looks at
Last Word, sticks its tongue out, and blows up the
world anyway.
Last Word resolves just
fine. It attempts to counter Obliterate, is prevented
from doing so, and goes to the graveyard. Last Word is
NOT countered - it has resolved.
---
Q: Player A plays a Goblin
Striker.
Player B plays Vex on the Goblin Striker. Player A plays Last Word on the Vex. Player B plays Mana Leak on Goblin Striker. Is that a legal play?
-Mail
A: Yes.
---
Q: If I have a Birchlore
Rangers into play, can I tap itself for its effect?
A: Yes, assuming its
creature type has not been changed. Birchlore Rangers
IS an elf, after all.
---
Q: Does the mana Birchlore
Rangers creates stay in play?
-jloc
A: No. If you do not use
the mana generated by Birchlore Rangers by the end of
the current phase, you will take mana burn.
---
Q: To what degree does
Blood Moon affect artifact lands? I know that the
lands will only tap to add red mana, but do the lands
still count as artifacts, for affinity count?
-Ewan R.
A: It is still an
artifact, and it is NOT a basic land. Blood Moon (and
other cards that change land types) do two things:
removes all rules text (so it can't tap for what it
tapped for before) and makes the land subtype of the
card in question to be the subtype in question.
---
Q: Does Steal Enchantment
give you control of a creature if you take an
enchantment on a creature?
-Joseph T.
A: No. Cards do EXACTLY
what they say they do, and no more. Steal Enchantment
only gives you control of an enchantment. If that
enchantment is attached to a creature, great, you get
control of it. You do not, however, take the creature.
You also can not move the enchantment. It stays right
where it is.
---
Q: I sac 10 artifacts to
my Arcbound Ravager with 2 Disciples of the Vault in
play...
A: Fine. Each Disciple
triggers 10 times, and we have 20 "you may have target
opponent lose one life" effects on the stack.
---
Q: then my opponent in
response plays Wail of the Nim so that the Disciples
will die before the Disciple’s ability can resolve.
A: Um, OK.
---
Q: Is the Disciple's
ability still on the stack & triggered by the saccing
of the artifacts, although the Disciple's ability
would resolved after its demise?
A: Yes. (You correctly
quoted Mantra 8 in this instance. Mantra 8 is derived
from the following rule:
402.6. Once activated or
triggered, an ability exists independently of its
source as an ability on the stack. Destruction or
removal of the source after that time won’t affect the
ability. Note that some abilities cause a source to do
something (for example, “Prodigal Sorcerer deals 1
damage to target creature or player”) rather than the
ability doing anything directly. In these cases, any
activated or triggered ability that references
information about the source will check that
information when the ability resolves, or will use the
source’s last known information if it’s no longer in
play.)
The only way to remove an
ability from the stack is with a card like Stifle.
(402.6 would probably be
your strongest case with your friends. Also, consider
this often used example:
You are in a war. You see
an enemy soldier take the pin out of a grenade, and
lob it at you. Before the grenade arrives, you shoot
him. What happens with the grenade?)
---
Q: Do enchantments,
artifacts, and creatures go to the graveyard in the
order that they are destroyed by spells on the stack?
A: This question is a
little too vague to answer given just this
information. Let me go through 2 examples, and
hopefully I'll answer your question.
a) Akroma's Vengeance
{4}{W}{W} Sorcery Destroy all artifacts, creatures, and enchantments. Cycling {3} ({3}, Discard this card from your hand: Draw a card.)
With Akroma's Vengeance,
all of the permanents go to the graveyard at the same
time. The owner of the cards going to his or her
graveyard will choose the order they are in in the
graveyard. (217.4c)
b) Death Cloud
{X}{B}{B}{B} Sorcery Each player loses X life, then discards X cards from his or her hand, then sacrifices X creatures, then sacrifices X lands.
Death Cloud uses the word
"then," so there is an ordering to the effect. First,
you will lose the X life. Then, you will discard X
cards from your hand (putting them in your graveyard
in the order of your choice). Then, you will sacrifice
X creatures (putting them in your graveyard in the
order of your choice, but above all of the cards you
discarded). Then, you will sacrifice X lands (putting
them in your graveyard in the order of your choice,
but above all of the creatures you sacrificed).
(Feel free to write back with a more specific question if that doesn't help.)
---
Q: I pay 5 and tap my
Oblivion Stone, then in response my opponent plays
Shatter to destroy the Oblivion Stone. Does the
oblivion Stone's ability still resolve with the bored
being cleared of all non-land permanents even though
the Oblivion Stone is destroyed?
-Moog O.
Q: Yes.
See you Friday.
Bill Guerin
DCI Level 2 Judge
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