Subject: Re: my deck-the master's beats (Roshi Black CS Beatdown) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bballer8691 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:16:55 EST Hi. I built a black master roshi deck. I have a lot of problems with it, such as a lack of good black sensei deck cards, and my lack of confrontations and black body destructions. I figured I could use an expert's point of view. Here it is. North kai sensei black pivot kick x2 black energy swirl CS black mastery Master Roshi levels 1,2,3 non combats:6 caught off guard drill underdrog drill expectant trunks black smoothness drill android 20 absorbing drill black searching technique >> I hear Black Weakness Drill is pretty good. << physical combats:27 3x underdog drop kick 3x gohan's kick black karmic strike - What... nah. majin buu's heel kick x2 - I'd run 3. black light jab - Not good enough. tien's block - Prob not worth it in this deck. black duck - Decent card, try out Pikkon's Leg Catch. cell's backslap - good black dodge - Nice bookmark, otherwise don't use it. black spin kick - *has no clue what this does, prob a bad card* black shift kick - Nah black physical focus x2 - Mainly for ally decks. goku's flight x3 - Sure black face slap - Why not run 3? Take a look at some Kid Buu; there are a ton of good disruption cards like Impressive Slap, Drop Kick, and Chaos Detonation. black defensive stance x2 black finger block - Heck no. goku's dashing punch black choke hold energy combats:18 piccolo's power ball x2 - You could run 3. black recovery x2 - nice. KHSB - Only with TS Mastery. goku swiftly moving x2 - maybe. Probably won't have room. black dark energy x3 - Probably not. nappa's energy aura - Of course. krillin's solar flare x3 - Could work, especially against Multiform. heroic power detonation - Nah. black exertion x2 - Nope. black fore fist punch - Not good enough. Look for better effects. >> You need dual cards like Body Destruction, Turning Kick, and maybe Knife Hand Strike. They give Black a ton of power. << allies:3 kid trunks, teenager piccolo the avenger oolong battlegrounds: 2 city in turmoil x2 combats:12 TES x3 TIAWT stunned - Prob don't need it. stupid tricks battle pausing the power of the dragon super saiyan effect pan's victory - Regen is good, but making it one is odd. krillin's search injured circuits - You set up your hand, dunno if you really need to get a new hand. dragonball:1 earth dragon ball 7 That's it! Happy holidays! ************ Instead of teching your no bling Namekian which I bet you've figured out by now it doesn't work without the good stuff, I jumped the list and grabbed your new deck to tech. The thing is, taking a quick look at your deck, I don't understand what you are trying to attempt with it. I see this being a normal Black beatdown deck using the wrong Mastery and a weak Main personality. That's all I see. With that in mind... I think you need to think up a much better theme. You don't seem to have one, and thus that's probably the next step you need to create a deck. You can just throw big attacks and blocks in a deck and expect it to work. Most likely it won't. So I'm going to give you some basic tips on a little deck building and a lot based on your deck, then comment on some cards you picked out that you should reconsider. First off, North Kai Sensei is a great Sensei. But the thing is, I've noticed that one of the biggest weaknesses that the Pojo people send me and I attempt to consistently mention is the lack of a filled Sensei. There are some styles that it is a bit hard without running some pointless cards/ones that will never be used, but in Black that should never be a problem. Black can easily run Elder Kai Sensei and still need room. Here are good ideas: Black Pivot Kick Black Front Punch Black Energy Swirl Black Face Smash HUH??? A Hero's Heart is Strong Breakthrough Drill Black Scout Maneuver Alright, now the other thing is you really need to change Masteries. The CS Mastery is one of the best, but your theme doesn't fit it. I'd go with the TS Mastery for more beatdown potential. The CS is for more disruption, and you don't even run Thought Focuses, which more or less defeats the purpose of the Mastery. I see you know you are missing Staples, and that's good to know. Just remember Confrontation isn't everything. Look above for other ideas. And as for allies... I dunno. You could run Kid Trunks for his regen, but Oolong works mainly in massive ally decks to copy many allies. You probably don't need that many allies; I would consider running King Kai for some discard ability if you want it. Have fun. Hopefully you can put some thought into your theme; that's what you are missing the most. -- matthewlow@franceslow.com "You will not be allowed to do this to anyone else!" - Gohan --