I know that Dark Vileplume and Slowking seem like the best cards to use against Haymakers, but they aren't. Think about it. You will need trainers to get theese cards out quickly and keep them in play. You own deck will be weakened by theese cards as much as any Haymaker will be. And anyway, Haymakers can easily adopt to using a Muk with so much extra space. And besides, Haymakers are very quick and will beat you before you get out the evolutions if you don't have a lot of trainers. The only way to beat a Haymaker is to beat it at its own game: speed. You can specially build a Meganium Deck or a Raindance Deck to speed past Haymakers. Use a pluspower to bring the max. damage to 70. Unfortunatly, theese decks are only a little slower than Haymakers, so I don't garuntee it will work. Your opponent will usually get 2 prizes and then you will start winning, but it doesn't always work. I've found theese decks to fall apart to Muk and Stall decks though. I've started a Meganium deck shortly after Neo was released in Japan, and I've found it to have an amazing power over Haymakers. I've beaten every Haymaker I've run into, including a Sneasal/Porygon 2 combo, but my opponent only had 2 prizes left. What I'm saying is Haymakers are weak to extremely fast evolution decks. I'm not 100% sure of Raindance decks because of the weakness to Rocket's Zapdos. Right now I am expirementing with a Neo3 Entei/ Base Charizard Combo, but Charizard only lasts for about 2 prizes... I've also tried a MP Pikachu/ Base Raichu/ Lt. Surge's Electabuzz combo, which works pretty well, but I only tested it twice, and my opponent quit in the middle of one of the matches... To end this, I say that you should try to make decks that can use extreme speed to beat Haymakers, and any evolution deck with a card that can do 70 damage can be specially built to be powered up 2nd or 3rd turn. Send all coments, questions, hate mail, and anything except viruses (I will delete anything with attachments) to afreese007@yahoo.com. P.S. If you use the "Make Harmony" attack with Imakuni's Doduo, do you do 30 damage immedeatly and another 30 damage when you finish the song, or just 30 damage after the song? From Adam Freese at afreese007@yahoo.com Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.