ok i have noticed tons of people saying the best way to beat a haymaker is 
this and this but frankly the best way to beat a haymaker is not to use one 
do not encourage the play of one. now i have a played a haymaker since jungle 
and i loved them so much. but after winning with the same strategy and same 
cards i began to make different decks and different deck ideas. so what i am 
trying to say is if you keep telling people how to destroy one that one word 
"haymaker" people will remember it and remake a whole new version. but that 
is probally the worse part about them there are so many versions of the 
haymaker and it is disgusting to realize that after 9 expansions and so many 
new rules people are playing them like they are new. but dont get me wrong 
they are great decks but they are old and boring. so do the whole TCG and 
make up new deck ideas strategys and so forth that is the whole reason of the 
ECSTS format and i hope to see you there trying new decks out. 

comments? questions? sugestions? hate mail(i think i will get alot of this) ? 
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